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Post by DOG MAN » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 20:07 PM

New Gateway PC 500GB Model GM5626.
First getting use to Vista and all it's security has been more than I thought it would be. This PC seems to be working most of the time. I can hear it cranking away all the time. Is this normal for a Gateway I have always had HP's and most of them seem to be quite all except for one that I had, had a noisy fan from day one. My Ram is 3G dual-channel Memory. This PC is one week old. Physical Memory is running a little high I think right now at 39% CPU Usage is low at 4%. Any ideas? I have gotten rid of a lot of the start up programs and the UAC is turned off.

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Post by PRO151 » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 20:21 PM

Downgrade the thing back to XP.
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Post by Av8r1 » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 20:35 PM

I hate Vista ! Any how I would do a scan for malware/virus. Your hard drive shouldn't be accessed that hard. Also defrag the drive. :roll:

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Post by bosshog » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:16 PM

PRO151 wrote:Downgrade the thing back to XP.
1 on that one.... i have tired VISTA and do not like it at all!! it takes up to much memory and requires a lot of ram to even operate to its fullest potential..


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Post by SheepDog » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:18 PM

Just ditch MicroCrap altogether and get LINUX. :wink: I did, never looked back.
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What is LINUX?

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Post by Phaze91460 » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:32 PM

Vista is a serious memory hog. I have one machine running Server 2003, 5 running XP pro and one running Vista Ultimate.

In a word, Vista SUX.

Microsoft has change so many customizable options its not funny. Some options cant be accessed in Vista that you could in XP.

It does not require much processor speed to have the operating system up and running but it requires a huge amount of memory. How much memory do you have ?

I would recommend a minim of 2gigs, more would be better.
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Post by Bozo » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:50 PM

Vista install in 2 minutes
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PRO151 wrote:Downgrade the thing back to XP.
I would have to concur with PRO151. The best option is to go back to XP.

hard drive wrote:What is LINUX?
Linux is an operating system that was initially created as a hobby by a young student, Linus Torvalds, at the University of Helsinki in Finland. Linus had an interest in Minix, a small UNIX system, and decided to develop a system that exceeded the Minix standards. He began his work in 1991 when he released version 0.02 and worked steadily until 1994 when version 1.0 of the Linux Kernel was released. The kernel, at the heart of all Linux systems, is developed and released under the GNU General Public License and its source code is freely available to everyone. It is this kernel that forms the base around which a Linux operating system is developed. There are now literally hundreds of companies and organizations and an equal number of individuals that have released their own versions of operating systems based on the Linux kernel. More information on the kernel can be found at our sister site, LinuxHQ and at the official Linux Kernel Archives. The current full-featured version is 2.6 (released December 2003) and development continues.

Apart from the fact that it's freely distributed, Linux's functionality, adaptability and robustness, has made it the main alternative for proprietary Unix and Microsoft operating systems. IBM, Hewlett-Packard and other giants of the computing world have embraced Linux and support its ongoing development. Well into its second decade of existence, Linux has been adopted worldwide primarily as a server platform. Its use as a home and office desktop operating system is also on the rise. The operating system can also be incorporated directly into microchips in a process called "embedding" and is increasingly being used this way in appliances and devices.

Throughout most of the 1990's, tech pundits, largely unaware of Linux's potential, dismissed it as a computer hobbyist project, unsuitable for the general public's computing needs. Through the efforts of developers of desktop management systems such as KDE and GNOME, office suite project OpenOffice.org and the Mozilla web browser project, to name only a few, there are now a wide range of applications that run on Linux and it can be used by anyone regardless of his/her knowledge of computers. Those curious to see the capabilities of Linux can download a live CD version called Knoppix . It comes with everything you might need to carry out day-to-day tasks on the computer and it needs no installation. It will run from a CD in a computer capable of booting from the CD drive. Those choosing to continue using Linux can find a variety of versions or "distributions" of Linux that are easy to install, configure and use. Information on these products is available in our distribution section and can be found by selecting the mainstream/general public category.

If you're interested in learning about Linux, need help with some aspect of its use or are enthusiastic about it and want to help foster its adoption, you may want to get in touch with a Linux User Group in your area. There are groups in practically every country, region and city in the world, so there is likely to be one near you.

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Post by Av8r1 » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:53 PM

Linux is an open source (free) OS that's very stable and works well. There are many types of Linux OS systems. If you want to try an ez to use (GUI) windows style, try Noppix Live. Its on a cd and works completely off the disk. :roll:

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Post by SheepDog » Saturday, 05 January 2008, 22:59 PM

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Post by Rex_foxhound » Sunday, 06 January 2008, 1:32 AM

I've got Vista on my new Dell laptop and I don't really have any problems with it. Once service pack 1 comes out, I'm sure a lot of issues will be cleared up.
Phaze is right, if you're gonna run Vista, have at least 2 gigs of RAM.
My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1720 WUXGA 17" screen, Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz, 3 gigs 667mhz RAM, 320gb hard drive, Nvidia 8600gt, a few other goodies, and Vista.
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Post by Hard Drive » Sunday, 06 January 2008, 4:32 AM

What store sells the CD or where I can order one?

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Post by Bozo » Sunday, 06 January 2008, 4:36 AM

hard drive wrote:What store sells the CD or where I can order one?
Vista? To summarize this topic... There has been a lot of issues with this op system. You might want to reconsider, but if you want to buy it... try office depot, best buy
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Post by PONY EXPRESS » Sunday, 06 January 2008, 5:11 AM

Rex_foxhound wrote:I've got Vista on my new Dell laptop and I don't really have any problems with it. Once service pack 1 comes out, I'm sure a lot of issues will be cleared up.
Phaze is right, if you're gonna run Vista, have at least 2 gigs of RAM.
My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1720 WUXGA 17" screen, Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz, 3 gigs 667MHz RAM, 320GB hard drive, Nvidia 8600gt, a few other goodies, and Vista.
Nice laptop .We run the Dell E 1705 XP and use it only on vacation trips twice a year. My wife is a e mail junkie and wanted to be able to send emails and pics
So we have the E 1705 with 2.00 GHZ Dual Core 1 GHZ memory 17 inch WUXGA glossy screen that has been used 4 times in 2 years except when we open the bag up to update programs. Heck I might need to add maximum memory and make it 667 MHz instead of 533 chips.. before the chips stop being produced. I'm just now installing Windows Internet Explorer 7.0 as a update even as we type this message

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Post by Pocono Redneck » Sunday, 06 January 2008, 5:52 AM

hard drive wrote:What store sells the CD or where I can order one?
If you mean a CD with Linux, you can find cd images on the internet that you can burn to a cd (and it's free)

Here's one --- Webpage Link - Click Here for UBUNTU (one of the more popular Linux distributions lately)
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Post by DOG MAN » Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 10:26 AM

After installing all my software and hardware so i decided to De-frag, It was fast, only took 4hr and 20 min. to do a de-frag but I have to say it no longer grinds on and on and runs smooth I would say. I guess I will keep the thing :shock:

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Post by Hard Drive » Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 20:48 PM

Hey Thanks! I give it a try.

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Post by Merc1973 » Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 21:18 PM

Are UBUNTU and other LINUX OS compatible with Microsoft documents and files that are already on my computer. Or do i have to back them up?

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Post by ice man » Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 22:21 PM

Merc1973 wrote:Are UBUNTU and other LINUX OS compatible with Microsoft documents and files that are already on my computer. Or do i have to back them up?
LINUX (Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat) and Windows (XP, Vista) have different file systems and are different OS so to install LINUX on a system that is running Windows you will need to format the HDD and that will wipe out the data on the drive. You can however dual-boot a system so both OS are on the same HDD but you can only boot into one OS at a time. Another option is to run a virtual machine emulating windows on LINUX, or the other way LINUX on Windows on either OS, but that can take quite a bit of configuration to get to run correctly..

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Post by Tezterz » Tuesday, 08 January 2008, 22:38 PM

Will games and other everyday programs that are designed for windows run on Linux?

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Post by lonewolf » Wednesday, 09 January 2008, 0:20 AM

I remember allot of people complaining about xp also when it came out. I have vista and i like it had no probs yet had it a yr now.

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Post by BADGER305 » Wednesday, 09 January 2008, 13:02 PM

This is a long post, so bear with me. I'm not a person who has had a computer since they first came out. the first one I got was 4 yrs ago. It is a gatewaye450 made in 1999. My wife managed these apts. and someone skipped out and left in in there. It had windows 98se on it and I started tinkering around with it. We finally got internet in 2004 ( don't laugh, I saw no need for it ). the rest is history , I couldn't do without it now.
Anyway, I started learning about computers by reading articles on the web and trial and error. It didn't take long to figure out 98se would make you pull your hair out trying to get certain things to work on it, especially when it came to setting up wireless. ( yes, the computer bug hit, kind of like the radio bug, you know, first you buy a cobra 29, then you have to have a Gen. Lee and on and on ). I bought a new Dell desktop with MORE POWER and the wife needed a laptop for work. Both came with windows XP.
Now, I'm no geek, No offence, but I'll guarantee windows xp put a lot of computer repair shops out of business. gone were the problems loading programs, getting wireless adapters to work properly, and so on. I upgraded the old gateway to the fastest cpu I could find and bought a copy of xp upgrade and put on it. It works everyday in my wife's office and she loves it. And it's pretty fast on dsl.
That brings us to Linux. I have a copy of the latest edition I got from some place in the Netherlands. I've got an old comp. my sister gave me that I'm going to try this OS on. the comp. is about 3 yrs old and just needs a harddrive.
After reading articles about Linux written by the people developing it, I want to tell them that this OS is never going to be a major threat to Microsoft until they stop talking about how this kernel and that kernel will work with this program or that. I'm like 99% of the people out there are; I don't know what a kernel is and I don't want to know. I just want to click on a download and it goes into the bowels of this comp., goes where it is supposed to and does what it needs to.
When I buy a piece of hardware for the machine, I don't want to hunt this driver from this other device that will actually work with limited bugs on my device. That's the kind of info they talk about on the linux boards.
It seems that linux is a great idea, but it has fallen into hands of people trying to make money off of it or either they aren't in the real world with everyone else. It was supposed to be free.
Anyway, I'm going to try it, so if anyone has advice on which hardware works with it, please post a reply. I'm sure there are people on this board who understand all this tech talk about linux, so feel free to jump in.
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Post by ice man » Wednesday, 09 January 2008, 13:34 PM

Tezterz wrote:Will games and other everyday programs that are designed for windows run on Linux?
No, software that was developed for Windows will only run on a Windows OS. Some thing that have been built for Windows have been modified with wrappers for LINUX, but that is mostly hardware drivers. If you want software that is meant to run on LUNUX for the most part you will need applications that were developed and compiled for that flavor of LINUX you are running. On the + side of that, most LINUX applications are free because the nature of LINUX is open source so development of applications for different LINUX platforms are open also. You need different installer packages for the different LINUX platforms meaning that a Read Hat .rpm package will not install on a Debian OS you need a .deb compiled package. Also a lot of things are compiled for certain kernel builds. This stuff is good if you like playing with kernel modifications and open source development stuff. The + thing about Windows XP is it is very easy to configure/setup with most hardware and most 3rd party software games and other applications free, or not are easily accessible...

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Post by Pocono Redneck » Thursday, 31 January 2008, 11:33 AM

If you ARE going to run Vista on a machine you definitely want at least 2 gigs of RAM---if you don't have this much, buy more.

Why?...What happens from what I've read if you do not have that much memory Vista will constantly page stuff in and out of a segment of your hard drive that it sets as virtual memory. This constant disk access will contribute to premature failure of your hard drive as well as being plain noisy and slow.

As far as Winblows goes..XP is for me. All my webservers for my webhosting business run Linux...I would never trust Billy Gates with my livelyhood.
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Post by NCMidnight » Wednesday, 04 June 2008, 21:01 PM

Vista is a RAM eater (1gb) for the OS itself. So if you use your PC for Media/Gaming, photo editing software, etc. where you need High Performance 2 gigs is minimum. I believe the PC you own has a 256mb on-board Graphics card so add that to the 1gb loss from the OS operation.

Alot of it depends on box configuration(how your system is set-up).

You mentioned Duel channel ram, that will help (removes bottle neck effect). (I recommend 1Gb chips, I think your model uses DDR2. One in a Black slot, and the other in a blue slot) "Note" ram needs to match for this to be stable. I noticed you said you had a 3Gb system out of box so another gig chip to finish it off (4 total) would be optimal(make sure to enable this option in your Bios for Duel channel if it isn't already). Virtual memory is there as a backup, allocated HD space (works like ram but a lot slower which is probably where your "working" noise is coming from, your hard drives spinning)

From what I know of this system it utilizes a 2Ghz DC CPU and Intel 945G chip-set.(be sure to update Drivers for chip-set often).
Last but not least by far, PCI express x16 =500mbps transfer rate vs the 133mbps of PCI x8. Pick up a nice 512MB+ Graphics card (Nvidia in my opinion 73+ series for price and compatibility.) Install it in the PCI express slot, enable in bios, install drivers and update then your set. You just gained 1 1/4 Gb of ram, and 512mbs of stand alone video memory for $200.

Your Drive controllers are Sata not IDE so a Raid set-up would be something simple to look into doing as well. (Raid "0" Or Raid 0+1 if you want to buy a third and forth drive and use this set as a mirror of the Raid "0" striped set).Raid "0" would involve another matching capacity HDD and "1" Sata jumper. The raid 0+1 would involve "3" more HDD's and "3" Serial ata (Sata) jumpers. Once you do this your PC will see the 2/4 drives as "1" drive, or two sets, 01 and 02 with 02 being a mirror copy of 01, with x2 or x4 the cashe and Memory of the original set-up.

The Pros of this set-up:
Its cheap, you double/x4 your cashe/transfer rate. If your HDD is an 8mb cashe drive using raid "0" that means you now have 16 Mb of cashe. Raid 0+1 would be 32 mb, increase in transfer rate.

Cons:
Involves a reformat( no biggie, create a back up disk. Its well worth it)

I'm not sure on the Chunk size or stripe for the raid "0" set for vista Check around online and use a chunk size that best suites the Majority of the file sizes in the progam to avoid unusable memory. If the average file size was for example 122kb you wouldnt want to use a 256kb chunk size. I use 128kb chunks for XP on my system for speed/gaming/load times.
This will use a little more CPU then you are now but a lot less ram.(not a problem for your CPU) Try benchmarking before and after to compare results, its noticeable to say the least :D .


The theory behind RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks) in a nutshell is, If it takes a certain amount of time to read or write any size file to any drive, that time can be cut in Half (with Raid "0" and down to 1/4 of the time with raid 0+1) by reading from and writing said file to Multiple drives simultaneously. (Stripes. Chunks are the amount of Kb's per Stripe)

Also remember Vista is a new OS its buggy as it gets but so was XP when it Launched..

Hope it helps..
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Post by Foxhunter » Wednesday, 04 June 2008, 21:50 PM

DOG MAN wrote:After installing all my software and hardware so i decided to De-frag, It was fast, only took 4hr and 20 min. to do a de-frag but I have to say it no longer grinds on and on and runs smooth I would say. I guess I will keep the thing :shock:
I run an HP with XP but I will say try running Microsoft's Windows Live OneCare (the online version) and click on it's Vista link. It will have a Microsoft Registry Cleaner (click on Clean Up) and will fix & repair your registry of all the registry errors you most likely have from your install/un-installs. It takes only 4 min. to run, is not 3rd-party software that can do more harm than good. Here's the link and works for XP or Vista (click beta/vista link) then go to "cleanup"). It should get it running smoothly. Here's the link: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/defa ... ?s_cid=sah

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Post by c-man » Wednesday, 04 June 2008, 23:32 PM

Yes get Xp its better for home computers the best vista is home premium not as much bugs at all plus the new amd duo core cpus dint like it Intel core better for vista but amd mobile in laptops work well with vista . I tryed vista on an old server it ran ok but still not like xp till i added 8 gigs of memory and server had 4 gigs at first and 4 xeon 3.66ghz cpus. As far as your post sounds like your hard drive go download Hard Drive Test Pilot 2.6 downloads.com has it free also

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Post by TheMagikPhrog » Thursday, 05 June 2008, 0:07 AM

OK, here is it.
Lets start with Linux. There are live cd's you can download and run in your cd/dvd player. That way you can test Linux before you decide to install. That's a good start.
I am running Simply Mepis-Knoppix and Ubunto on three different drives. Win 2000 pro, XP media-Xp pro-Vista UL on 6 different drives.
Of all, Vista has become my fav. CPU Usage-with this browser open-4 percent, Memory- 302 MB.
My specs
3400 AMD, 2 1/2 gig ram, MSI K9NGM3 BOARD. Ice cold fans and heatsinks.
But before you go and throw Vista out. There are many things you can do to Vista that will make it lightning fast. And I mean lightning fast. As any os, it is up to you to maintain it, customize it and optimize it. For Vista, start with user account controls.
Many people have giving up on Vista. You must take time and familiarize yourself with it as we all did with XP.
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Post by Alaskan » Monday, 22 September 2008, 18:12 PM

You can run MS games on linux useing Xine or other Linux open source programs. I gave it a go and got most to run but DX10 put a crapper on the higher end games. You can get IE to run on linux and office...but with open office and open source browsers, you wont want to use MS stuff.


For the guy running vista. Check your task manager and go to the performance tab on a fresh boot up. Check to see how ram is being used. If you run the dashboard crapola, it will be at about 750mb of ram on boot up. Disabling it will bring your system down to the xp pro area of ram usage.


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