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Cobra 2000 GTL S/N 65001008 Refurb Project Log
Serial No: 65001008
Made in: Taiwan
Year on MB8734 PLL chip: 1986
Extension speaker: 1 x CA-2000
Mic: CA-72 Dynamike
Objective: To restore this rig to as close to original as I can.
Purchased from an eBay seller in 2018 who sold it as Not-working/Parts to cover himself.
However, when I contacted him about it he said it used to work but he was no longer in a position test it on air so could not guarantee it.
He wasn't lying about operational condition; it does work on the bench. It receives signals from a close-proximity, low-power handheld without an antenna plugged in, and according to my meter puts 4 watts AM and 12 watts SSB into a dummy load.
The eBay photos looked reasonable. It was bit of an ugly duckling thanks to a pretty ordinary job of matte black skin glued to the face plate and speaker.
It was advertised as unmolested, which is what I was seeking. While essentially true, it's clear that someone along the line of ownership since 1986 has been at it, for better or for worse.
Condition and Issues
Top metal cover: Somewhere along the line of ownership, the original top metal cover has been replaced by a sheet of what appears to be perforated steel speaker grille material. I'd love to get rid of that for an original cover, but it's low priority at this stage.
Sony glue: Seems to have been largely cleaned of the dreaded brown corrosive and conductive goop at some stage. I did find some remnants and got rid of them with acetone.
Face plate: I removed the horrible matte black skin hoping the the original silver would be in good enough condition. It wasn't. The silk screened markings were worn in places and there were scratches and divots in the metal that could not be overlooked. So, I purchased a silver skin kit online and attached that. I was hoping to find a matte version, but could only find shiny chrome. It looks pretty respectable now.
Knobs: As expected, some of the knobs were not original. I have since sourced original knobs.
Channel switch: the channel display showed hieroglyphics on about 12 of the 40 positions. A few judicious squirts of contact cleaner into the back of the channel switch fixed that.
Channel display window 'glass': The plastic window 'glass' which shows Mode, Receive and On Air is in poor condition for two reasons. The glue that holds it into the face plate has gone to liquid and filled the cavity between the front and the purple colored filter that sits behind it. That's not so bad, but the green plastic filter for the Mode lights (LSB/AM/USB) has been distorted and discolored by the wheat bulb that lights for AM. Clearly, someone favored AM and it appears that a too-high power wheat bulb has been put there at some time and burned the filter black so that no light comes through when on AM. Then, in an attempt to clean it, they have scratched the back of the plastic destroying the AM and LSB printing. Action: After quite a bit of searching, I have found a guy who will sell me those bits from a rig he is parting out.
Lamp rubbers gone hard: I was mulling over whether or not to upgrade from wheats to LEDs. As above, my desire is to have this rig as original as I can get it so I was prepared to chase some wheat bulbs until I saw how baked and distorted the bulb rubber grommets had become from the combination of heat and age. Some are rock hard and crumbly, so that deiced me on a set of white LEDs. (I am not a fan of colored LEDs). I am awaiting delivery of those. ( After installation, I may then have to deal with the well known channel number ghost effect due to residual voltage when the rig is powered off via the front switch.)
Meters stuck: Par for the course. I should be able to fix those in the usual manner.
Headphone socket: Someone has completely removed the wiring from this socket. Why ??? Not only is the socket sitting there naked, none of the original wires are anywhere to be found. Incredible!
Electronics: It hasn't been re-capped, but some of the usual suspect electrolytics have been replaced. The power supply filter capacitor has been upgraded to 15000uF 35V. Oddly, a choke (ETP 7620053) has been mounted to the top of the cover of the frequency counter/clock enclosure. It's in series with the 13.8 volt DC input socket. Maybe someone had this rig in a vehicle at some stage, or connected to a crappy DC source, and it's some form of noise suppressor. The heat sink grease is pretty dry and could do with refreshing.
So, that's the situation as at the time of writing. As with most projects, it's the waiting on parts that drags them out.
Made in: Taiwan
Year on MB8734 PLL chip: 1986
Extension speaker: 1 x CA-2000
Mic: CA-72 Dynamike
Objective: To restore this rig to as close to original as I can.
Purchased from an eBay seller in 2018 who sold it as Not-working/Parts to cover himself.
However, when I contacted him about it he said it used to work but he was no longer in a position test it on air so could not guarantee it.
He wasn't lying about operational condition; it does work on the bench. It receives signals from a close-proximity, low-power handheld without an antenna plugged in, and according to my meter puts 4 watts AM and 12 watts SSB into a dummy load.
The eBay photos looked reasonable. It was bit of an ugly duckling thanks to a pretty ordinary job of matte black skin glued to the face plate and speaker.
It was advertised as unmolested, which is what I was seeking. While essentially true, it's clear that someone along the line of ownership since 1986 has been at it, for better or for worse.
Condition and Issues
Top metal cover: Somewhere along the line of ownership, the original top metal cover has been replaced by a sheet of what appears to be perforated steel speaker grille material. I'd love to get rid of that for an original cover, but it's low priority at this stage.
Sony glue: Seems to have been largely cleaned of the dreaded brown corrosive and conductive goop at some stage. I did find some remnants and got rid of them with acetone.
Face plate: I removed the horrible matte black skin hoping the the original silver would be in good enough condition. It wasn't. The silk screened markings were worn in places and there were scratches and divots in the metal that could not be overlooked. So, I purchased a silver skin kit online and attached that. I was hoping to find a matte version, but could only find shiny chrome. It looks pretty respectable now.
Knobs: As expected, some of the knobs were not original. I have since sourced original knobs.
Channel switch: the channel display showed hieroglyphics on about 12 of the 40 positions. A few judicious squirts of contact cleaner into the back of the channel switch fixed that.
Channel display window 'glass': The plastic window 'glass' which shows Mode, Receive and On Air is in poor condition for two reasons. The glue that holds it into the face plate has gone to liquid and filled the cavity between the front and the purple colored filter that sits behind it. That's not so bad, but the green plastic filter for the Mode lights (LSB/AM/USB) has been distorted and discolored by the wheat bulb that lights for AM. Clearly, someone favored AM and it appears that a too-high power wheat bulb has been put there at some time and burned the filter black so that no light comes through when on AM. Then, in an attempt to clean it, they have scratched the back of the plastic destroying the AM and LSB printing. Action: After quite a bit of searching, I have found a guy who will sell me those bits from a rig he is parting out.
Lamp rubbers gone hard: I was mulling over whether or not to upgrade from wheats to LEDs. As above, my desire is to have this rig as original as I can get it so I was prepared to chase some wheat bulbs until I saw how baked and distorted the bulb rubber grommets had become from the combination of heat and age. Some are rock hard and crumbly, so that deiced me on a set of white LEDs. (I am not a fan of colored LEDs). I am awaiting delivery of those. ( After installation, I may then have to deal with the well known channel number ghost effect due to residual voltage when the rig is powered off via the front switch.)
Meters stuck: Par for the course. I should be able to fix those in the usual manner.
Headphone socket: Someone has completely removed the wiring from this socket. Why ??? Not only is the socket sitting there naked, none of the original wires are anywhere to be found. Incredible!
Electronics: It hasn't been re-capped, but some of the usual suspect electrolytics have been replaced. The power supply filter capacitor has been upgraded to 15000uF 35V. Oddly, a choke (ETP 7620053) has been mounted to the top of the cover of the frequency counter/clock enclosure. It's in series with the 13.8 volt DC input socket. Maybe someone had this rig in a vehicle at some stage, or connected to a crappy DC source, and it's some form of noise suppressor. The heat sink grease is pretty dry and could do with refreshing.
So, that's the situation as at the time of writing. As with most projects, it's the waiting on parts that drags them out.
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Hope it was a good price, maybe you'll find a donor radio for parts in better shape. You can probably find a few electronic items at CB World, other then that the internet is the only source.
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Bidding was fiercer than I expected and I won it in a last second shootout. I think the unmolested aspect is what made it attractive. At the time, most of what was on offer had been hacked/modified. At a different moment the picture may have been better or worse.MDYoungblood wrote: Jul 25 2020, 09:06 Hope it was a good price, maybe you'll find a donor radio for parts in better shape. You can probably find a few electronic items at CB World, other then that the internet is the only source.
Condition-wise I'm quite happy with it. None of the fixes that I have listed are showstoppers and I'll enjoy doing them.
Yes, the Web is generally the best source. I have various eBay searches set.
I have a ton of other projects to do. It's the stop/start nature that drives me nuts. Stuff all over the place half finished while awaiting parts and covid hasn't helped that waiting either.
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THANK YOU for this thread.
Im also starting a Cobra 2000 resto .
Got lucky because the PCBs are clean thanks to the Digicom Install and a simple xtal switch.
Freq counter displays. 92.500.... but thats because of a PLL unlock...and yes both meters are frozen.
Let me know if I can assist with pictures or voltage /signal readings !
Im also starting a Cobra 2000 resto .
Got lucky because the PCBs are clean thanks to the Digicom Install and a simple xtal switch.
Freq counter displays. 92.500.... but thats because of a PLL unlock...and yes both meters are frozen.
Let me know if I can assist with pictures or voltage /signal readings !
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Thank you, too.Island_0860 wrote: Jul 25 2020, 11:26 Let me know if I can assist with pictures or voltage /signal readings !
The acid test, of course, will be connecting it up to an antenna and seeing if she can get out of the mud.
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Here are both...not sure yet which one will be a parts unit !
The Turner Expander is from Mikes repair shop in Baltimore.
The Turner Expander is from Mikes repair shop in Baltimore.
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Looks like you're spoiled for choice there.
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He lives no where near Baltimore.Island_0860 wrote: Jul 25 2020, 11:32 Here are both...not sure yet which one will be a parts unit !
The Turner Expander is from Mikes repair shop in Baltimore.
Like I said many times, beware of those YouTube Radio Guru's.
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Out of interest Island_0860 , what serials and manufacturing years are on yours?
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Hey Jimbo...
The one thats disassembled (Digiscan Install)is serial 93016692.
The assembled one (somewhat working) is 830055765.
So....1993 and 1983 ? both Taiwan
I added an 18 pin DIP in the Digiscan one since it was removed.
Bought a 8719 online but im not convinced its any good... so ill be placing it in the assembled one.
Getting the PLL up is first priority before I can continue.
The one thats disassembled (Digiscan Install)is serial 93016692.
The assembled one (somewhat working) is 830055765.
So....1993 and 1983 ? both Taiwan
I added an 18 pin DIP in the Digiscan one since it was removed.
Bought a 8719 online but im not convinced its any good... so ill be placing it in the assembled one.
Getting the PLL up is first priority before I can continue.
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Im wrong about the years...
Have to read some date codes off the IC's
Have to read some date codes off the IC's
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In my case the serial matches the PLL and other original components which are dated 1985 and 1986.Island_0860 wrote: Jul 25 2020, 13:44 Im wrong about the years...
Have to read some date codes off the IC's
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Hey Jimbo...
Well if these are the original counters..the date code on the microcontrollers are from 1978 for both radios.
Amazing that some one sand papered the top of the MB 8734 !.so couldent use that to date.
Seems that the factory wanted to keep people guessing.
Well if these are the original counters..the date code on the microcontrollers are from 1978 for both radios.
Amazing that some one sand papered the top of the MB 8734 !.so couldent use that to date.
Seems that the factory wanted to keep people guessing.
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Sanded in both rigs? Very odd. I've not heard of sanded chips in a Cobra 2000 before, but maybe it happened in the earlier years.Island_0860 wrote: Jul 25 2020, 22:34 Amazing that some one sand papered the top of the MB 8734 !.so couldent use that to date.
Seems that the factory wanted to keep people guessing.
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It was sanded off in the complete 2000.
The other one had its 8734 removed because of the Digiscan installation.
Are your counter chips dated 1978 ?
The other one had its 8734 removed because of the Digiscan installation.
Are your counter chips dated 1978 ?
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In mine, the chips that have open dates on them are either 85 or 86. With that and a serial number commencing with 6, I'm determining it to have been manufactured in 1986.
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After quite a break, I'm now back onto this project. I have decided to replace the incandescent wheat lamps with LEDs given the poor condition of the original grommets. Given the known problem with the frequency display being dimly lit when wheats are replaced by LEDs, I have bought a tiny 12 volt relay to install the mod that Mikes Radio Repair suggests.
I was going to attempt a repair on the meters, however their backs are melted and cracked thanks to the wrong type of wheat bulb installed by a previous owner, so I have ordered some new meters.
I have obtained some replacement colored "glass" pieces for the mode and frequency display because the original were also melted and blackened, again thanks to wheat bulbs that were too hot.
NOW: the headphone jack entirely lacks connections, so I guess at some stage a previous owner has used that hole to install some mod or other. The mystery is, how should the jack be connected? I have looked at the schematic and it shows a printed circuit board coded PC-480, but I haven't found that PCB. Does someone have a good photo of the GTL's headphone socket connections?
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After quite a break, I'm now back onto this project. I have decided to replace the incandescent wheat lamps with LEDs given the poor condition of the original grommets. Given the known problem with the frequency display being dimly lit when wheats are replaced by LEDs, I have bought a tiny 12 volt relay to install the mod that Mikes Radio Repair suggests.
I was going to attempt a repair on the meters, however their backs are melted and cracked thanks to the wrong type of wheat bulb installed by a previous owner, so I have ordered some new meters.
I have obtained some replacement colored "glass" pieces for the mode and frequency display because the original were also melted and blackened, again thanks to wheat bulbs that were too hot.
NOW: the headphone jack entirely lacks connections, so I guess at some stage a previous owner has used that hole to install some mod or other. The mystery is, how should the jack be connected? I have looked at the schematic and it shows a printed circuit board coded PC-480, but I haven't found that PCB. Does someone have a good photo of the GTL's headphone socket connections?
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Updated this log, but somehow it's been posted as a merge. Hopefully some 2000 GTL owner can help me with the headphone jack issue mentioned above.
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Hey Jimbo..
You may wanna extend the meter leads as they can be tight like piano wire from the factory.
I'll try and post headphone jack info by this weekend.
Both my 2k's are untouched
You may wanna extend the meter leads as they can be tight like piano wire from the factory.
I'll try and post headphone jack info by this weekend.
Both my 2k's are untouched
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Thanks Island.
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I'm going to remove the PCB 480 AB tomorrow for cleaning and get you some better looks.....
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Wow Island, many thanks! Those photos are immensely useful to me.
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Im in the process of PLL troubleshooting.. as this unit had the Digi Scan install which spared a lot of PCB hackery
Although ..the Digi Scan does have good output..i really cant see this being reinstalled .
My other 2K is in the closet as it basically checks out with just a xtal switch mod.
Hey man good luck and stay in touch !
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Thanks again, Island, most useful. I now see that the socket left in mine appears to be the original, but someone has taken away the PCB. Very odd indeed.
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Yes..strange !
That PCB is easily duplicated by one sided Pref board should you be energetic...or possibly other Cobras / 70's radios might have the same board made by Uniden
Might be best to wait for that PCB to surface on eBay with the jack mounted.
I'm motivated to get my 2K PLL up and running by this weekend.
Found a DigiScan Install Manual online so I just need to reverse the steps.
Good Luck !
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Yes..strange !
That PCB is easily duplicated by one sided Pref board should you be energetic...or possibly other Cobras / 70's radios might have the same board made by Uniden
Might be best to wait for that PCB to surface on eBay with the jack mounted.
I'm motivated to get my 2K PLL up and running by this weekend.
Found a Digi Scan Install Manual online so I just need to reverse the steps.
Good Luck !
That PCB is easily duplicated by one sided Pref board should you be energetic...or possibly other Cobras / 70's radios might have the same board made by Uniden
Might be best to wait for that PCB to surface on eBay with the jack mounted.
I'm motivated to get my 2K PLL up and running by this weekend.
Found a DigiScan Install Manual online so I just need to reverse the steps.
Good Luck !
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Yes..strange !
That PCB is easily duplicated by one sided Pref board should you be energetic...or possibly other Cobras / 70's radios might have the same board made by Uniden
Might be best to wait for that PCB to surface on eBay with the jack mounted.
I'm motivated to get my 2K PLL up and running by this weekend.
Found a Digi Scan Install Manual online so I just need to reverse the steps.
Good Luck !
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I think I may have sourced an original PCB ... but the guy has gone incommunicado recently.
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I'll keep an eye out.
Since we don't know the amount of heat used to separate the jack from the PCB...it's probably best to find one together..PCB mounted with jack.
Since we don't know the amount of heat used to separate the jack from the PCB...it's probably best to find one together..PCB mounted with jack.